• Advertisement
 

Kirker Black Diamond

General Discussion. Make yourself at home...read, ask and answer!



Top Contributor
Posts: 1665
Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:31 pm
Location: Northeast
Country:
USA
PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:06 pm
I picked up a fender for my Tbird today, from what looked like a rented warehouse. As soon as I walked in, There was a faint odor, similar to Benjamin Moore oil base house paint. Then I was shown a makeshift spray booth, where a car was being painted. I asked him if he was using house paint, because that's what it smelled like. He said it was Kirker Black Diamond low VOC. It's relatively new he said, and he never used it before, but he's used their urethanes and primers and was happy with them.
I was planning on using the Black Diamond 2.1 VOC clear over Auto-Air, but since this stuff doesn't have an overwhelming odor, and my eyes weren't burning, I might go the Black Diamond route start to finish. I was under the impression that the bases were 3.5 VOC, which I feel is a bit too much to subject my neighbors to, but the bases seem to be far less than 3.5.
Has anyone tried this stuff??

User avatar

Fully Engaged
Posts: 385
Joined: Wed Nov 03, 2010 6:00 pm
Location: The terrible salty mideast
PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:27 pm
I'm actually curious about this too. Countilaw has used kirker several times, I'd send him a PM. Personally, for my (lowish) VOC paintjob I'm going to use SPI 2.1 Euro.
SPI is actually cheaper:
Kirker EC350: $93.00 gal + $23 reducer+15% shipping=$133 for 1 gallon of EC350 (black diamond)
SPI Euro 2020: $57.50 gal+$35.50 reducer=$93 flat with no shipping charge (I think).
Personally I have heard great things about SPI.

User avatar

Board Moderator
Posts: 3301
Joined: Fri May 26, 2006 10:56 am
Location: Oregon
PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:57 am
Are your neighbors right on top of you? When I'm painting, my wife or friends can't smell any fumes on the other side of my house about 100 feet away.

One of the primers I use is 2.1 VOC and it stinks to high heaven. (FP415) Just warning you that you can't go by VOC alone. ;) A low VOC material is generally thicker also, so you tend to get more for your money. :)

User avatar

Top Contributor
Posts: 3107
Joined: Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:52 pm

Country:
USA
PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:44 pm
joeshmo wrote:I'm actually curious about this too. Countilaw has used kirker several times, I'd send him a PM. Personally, for my (lowish) VOC paintjob I'm going to use SPI 2.1 Euro.
SPI is actually cheaper:
Kirker EC350: $93.00 gal + $23 reducer+15% shipping=$133 for 1 gallon of EC350 (black diamond)
SPI Euro 2020: $57.50 gal+$35.50 reducer=$93 flat with no shipping charge (I think).
Personally I have heard great things about SPI.

Does that SPI use activator....i don't see it in the figures here. :whoops:
Never argue with an idiot, he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

User avatar

Fully Engaged
Posts: 385
Joined: Wed Nov 03, 2010 6:00 pm
Location: The terrible salty mideast
PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:21 pm
timbo wrote:
joeshmo wrote:I'm actually curious about this too. Countilaw has used kirker several times, I'd send him a PM. Personally, for my (lowish) VOC paintjob I'm going to use SPI 2.1 Euro.
SPI is actually cheaper:
Kirker EC350: $93.00 gal + $23 reducer+15% shipping=$133 for 1 gallon of EC350 (black diamond)
SPI Euro 2020: $57.50 gal+$35.50 reducer=$93 flat with no shipping charge (I think).
Personally I have heard great things about SPI.

Does that SPI use activator....i don't see it in the figures here. :whoops:

Woops! That 35.50 is for activator. Not reducer. My bad!
http://www.southernpolyurethanes.com/Pricing%20Info.htm

User avatar

Fully Engaged
Posts: 370
Joined: Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:38 am
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:17 pm
I'm seriously thinking about this paint as well. If there any downside to it? What do you lose when you lose the VOC's?

User avatar

Board Moderator
Posts: 3301
Joined: Fri May 26, 2006 10:56 am
Location: Oregon
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:48 am
When you lose the VOC, you're losing the solvents. The Volatile Organic Compounds are usually the solvents and other liquids in the material.

Most materials will spray about the same, 2.1 or 4-5VOC. Some require extra reducer to get it back to the viscosity of the 4+ VOC product, others it doesn't matter. Never sprayed the Kirker Black Diamond, so I couldn't tell you. :(



Top Contributor
Posts: 1665
Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:31 pm
Location: Northeast
Country:
USA
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:21 am
You're correct about adding reducer. The tech sheet says it will be useful in most situations to add 10-20% reducer in addition to the activator, to get the right viscosity. Most of their other urethanes say further reduction isn't necessary. All of Kirker's urethanes are activated.

User avatar

Fully Engaged
Posts: 370
Joined: Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:38 am
PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:16 pm
edpol wrote:You're correct about adding reducer. The tech sheet says it will be useful in most situations to add 10-20% reducer in addition to the activator, to get the right viscosity. Most of their other urethanes say further reduction isn't necessary. All of Kirker's urethanes are activated.


What's.the advantage of an activated base coat?

User avatar

Top Contributor
Posts: 1164
Joined: Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:03 pm
Location: virginia
PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:43 pm
58mark wrote:
What's.the advantage of an activated base coat?


Better chip resistance and less chance of a recoat lift.
Next

Return to Body and Paint

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], INXS2, SaturnFreak and 78 guests