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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 2:27 pm
Hi. Had a paint question on another forum and was linked to this one. Glad found it. Starting a first project and may be to much to handle but we are going to try it anyway.
The car is a numbers matching original 1969 Ford Torino GT with a 428 cobra Jet engine.
The body as you can see needs work but it runs and drives great. It was left outside in rain and snow. Our plan is to
1 Cut out and replace rusted metal (door corners lower fenders ect.)
2 Grind welds and get as good as possible and then body fill. Again getting as good as possible.
3 Remove old paint and rust to metal (60 grit sand paper)
4 Clean with something.
5 Spray on DP50LV as per instruction's.
6 Spray on build up filler.
7 Sand down to 800 and paint.
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Would you spray on DP50LV first and then body fill. Or would you even use that.
I think that no mater how good you sand there will still be tiny rust pits in the metal, will
DP50LV be ok to spray over that.
Any other steps you would add.
This car is going to be a driver not a show car.
Just getting started on this so will be looking at this site many times. Have found lots of info already. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 9:00 pm
There is always sort-of a debate about filler over epoxy or filler on bare metal. In my opinion, it doesn't matter. So either way is fine, if done correctly.

I'd try to avoid the spray filler and just use a good build primer. Projects like this, I use filler over bare metal then Tamco HP-5310 as a build primer over everything. One product. Then base/clear.



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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 10:41 am
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Nice Project! a True collectors item!
You need to do some more reading on other projects and perhaps read the Sticky pages on the Main page they will tell you how to do the Job right. Including what Grits of sand paper to use when. I can tell you now your plan is way off the norm .
Very important to do all your research first.

Rust and rust repair
Lots of ways to do it Cut it out weld new metal in always best. But you can cut it out and Glue new metal in Too, Then there are whole new Door skins as well.
Blasting Rust off and out of rust Pits works best when done correctly, its very easy to mess up and warp metal though so you have to use care watch pressures and not stay in any area to long. Wire wheels and Grinders work but not as well in my opinion.

Rust converters
Try to stay away from them most are junk a few do work on light rust I'm not gonna get into recommendations at this time or promoting any one or promoting there use but if you plan to use one find one a Paint manufacture will stand behind using you wont find many (Very important! again you wont find to many Hint!)
Stay clear of Super paint rust converter paints such as Rust-bullet or Por 15

As far as How to do the work I take Cars down to Bare metal then do most metal work and apply Epoxy, I always use Epoxy over blasted or Sanded bare metal and do Filler work over Sanded Epoxy yes it can be applied over Bare metal and I have done this too but I like the idea of epoxy over bare metal first.
Primers follow that then Base Coat and Clear.

Please do you research your car is very rare take your time do all your research take your time do it right. The Sticky's on the First page are invaluable theirs a ton of good info in them.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 11:44 am
looks like a nice project ya have!
on this
Any other steps you would add.

the only thing i can say is plan on steps added. as you tear down you will find more or want to do more.
and take your time. it may be a daily driver type project but might as well do the work right.

one more thing:
we like build/work threads with pictures here. :)

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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 2:30 pm
Awesome car and project, and yes you should start a build thread and post lots of photos. It will help with any questions that you may (will) have.

Questions, questions, questions!
Is this a weekend and after work build? Or do you, family or a buddy have a shop? Who's doing the welding and any sheet metal repair? I hate welding on old rusty pitted metal and couldn't imagine tackling a quarter panel replacement while a bunch of these guys on this site can do it in their sleep. What previous experience and tools do you have?

A car like that and following the folks on this forum's advice and doing the work correctly, you will end up with a pretty **** car.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 1:31 pm
Oldfatbald: Yes it's a weekend and after work build with some days off in-between, no shop just a garage. Everything is going to be done by me and my brother.
As for experience I got a A in welding in high school 45 years ago. My brother started welding Monday. Body experience None. However I am a Red seal mechanic so taking the car apart and things like that is no big deal.
As for tools that department is farily good Hoist, soda blaster, sand blaster, air compresser,
air tools. Also have a friend that has almost everything. Have now got the engine and trans out, front fenders, front end and hood off. Will try to get more pictures on. Thanks for the interest everyone. (sorry for the sideways pic)
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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 9:09 pm
Wabigoon wrote:Oldfatbald: Yes it's a weekend and after work build with some days off in-between, no shop just a garage.

Aha! You guys are "Car Guys" I love it!

Well then, I would suggest tearing it apart, take lots of photos, post lots of photos and ask the experts on this site (not me) lots of questions.

Get a decent DA, sand everything down to bare metal, then epoxy prime.
Learn to work the bare metal, block sand, apply more filler, sand more and repeat.
Get a cheap 2.5 tip sprayable body filler gun, a decent primer gun and a good BC/CC gun.

As for experience I got a A in welding in high school 45 years ago. My brother started welding Monday. Body experience None.

I love that answer! Well you are ahead of me, and I've managed to force my way through some welding on my car. I say go for it!!

As for tools that department is farily good Hoist, soda blaster, sand blaster, air compressor, air tools. Also have a friend that has almost everything.

Make sure to have a good separate water filtering system for your spray guns. I use specific different air fittings for my spray guns vs my air tools.

BTW, that is now Two awesome cars that you guys got going - I have always loved those old T-Birds, what awesome interiors.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:04 pm
My first fix, corner was rusted out, cut out and replaced metal with 13 gauge. Turned out good.
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Working on front fender. Original fender was rusted and dented, owner had a replacement that was better but the front was hit at one time and repair was not that good. Had 3/4 inch bondo and was not pulled out at all. In the top photo we tried to pull and straighten as best al we could but could not get the eyebrow or light to line up just right. So we cut the nose off the original and welded it on the replacement. Sorry for the sideways pics but I could not fix them. Will try to get them right next time.

Just my opinion on welders. Like most people just starting, bought a welder form Harbour Fright, and watched all the videos on YouTube. Most of the time you see someone make two or three spot welds on a thicker plate and then say just fill in the rest. These machines are not designed to weld thin sheet metal. We borrowed a friends welder (230 volt Hobart with gas and .24 wire.) Even this machine is at it's limits welding sheet metal that is probably 19 gauge or less after cleaning and sanding. Trade welders may be able to make them work but your average hobbyist would have hard time pulling off 200 stich welds to complete a job.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:30 am
Looks like a nice repair on that fender. I look forward to following your progress on this project. Really cool car.
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