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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 7:45 am
Ok so I took the Plunge and ordered an Eastwood deluxe Leading kit and the Soldering Diffuser Tip on the 5th its still not here.... But I look forward to its arrival some day!
The kit does come with a Gene Whinfield DIY video... that should be some help in the learning curve. Bill Hines was the Master though.
Tracked the order its in Phoenix right now, shouldn't take but another three or four more days now I would think? Got to love Fed ex efficiency as Eastwood got it out on the 12th!

I know Coved19 :rolleyes:

I have never been an Eastwood fan and I dont really blame for the delay and I am looking forward to the New toys I have a few special projects in mind to try it out on.

Anyone that use Lead Got any Tips or Tricks?
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 11:29 am
I have a tip for you> Don't do anything with lead until you get this video.
https://www.amazon.com/Art-Science-Auto ... B00BIL5WD0



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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 8:52 am
Hey Chevman!
I am Happy you chimed in, I Already ordered the Video THANKS! for the Tip!
also a while back you had a Thread going about Sanding lead about how general Papers cause Contamination I am about to order some Paper and wanted a suggestion from you on whats best when prepping Lead for Paint?


Do you use the Tallow?
Bill Hines in one of his older videos is said to use Tranny fluid on his Blocks instead of Wax?
Also He doesn't Use any Tinning Butter or Paste Flux he Uses Stay clean Solder Flux and His Lead sticks to tin panel with wipes panel down, then Melts the Stick in to tinned panel. Seams like old school way of Tinning and may even be a waste of Lead.
Bill also used custom ordered 75/25 lead sticks special ordered and made for him. I can only find the 70/30 and am Stuck with that for now.

Tinning
Here again I seen Some guys on you tube use Steel wool to Tin with and Kit comes with Brushes for this and I have seen copper brushes for this on TP tools, I be leave Gene Winfield uses a Copper Brillo Pad while Bill is seen using semi clean Cloth or rag almost what looks like Cheese cloth? Bill is very clear keep things Clean clean clean!
Bill says No to steel wool others say just be careful of Steel wool pieces contaminating lead surface. I get what they are saying, I will avoid Steel wool myself.

But My biggest concern is Prepping for Paint removing Flux and any wax from tallow?
I have seen Water and Baking soda used for neutralizing Flux other than using Wax and grease remover not sure about Wax removal?

I get it that a File should be used on the Lead But in my opinion Sanding it is gonna happen in final stages of getting panel ready for paint and am worried about the corrosion problem you brought forward in one of your posts some time ago.

Thanks for your time
I really am looking forward to learning this skill!
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 8:08 am
Doright wrote:Hey Chevman!
I am Happy you chimed in, I Already ordered the Video THANKS! for the Tip!
also a while back you had a Thread going about Sanding lead about how general Papers cause Contamination I am about to order some Paper and wanted a suggestion from you on whats best when prepping Lead for Paint?

Aluminum Oxide causes the problems, use ceramic or carbide abrasives when sanding lead.

Do you use the Tallow?
Yes

Bill Hines in one of his older videos is said to use Tranny fluid on his Blocks instead of Wax?
Also He doesn't Use any Tinning Butter or Paste Flux he Uses Stay clean Solder Flux and His Lead sticks to tin panel with wipes panel down, then Melts the Stick in to tinned panel. Seams like old school way of Tinning and may even be a waste of Lead.
Bill also used custom ordered 75/25 lead sticks special ordered and made for him. I can only find the 70/30 and am Stuck with that for now.

Tinning
Here again I seen Some guys on you tube use Steel wool to Tin with and Kit comes with Brushes for this and I have seen copper brushes for this on TP tools, I be leave Gene Winfield uses a Copper Brillo Pad while Bill is seen using semi clean Cloth or rag almost what looks like Cheese cloth? Bill is very clear keep things Clean clean clean!
Bill says No to steel wool others say just be careful of Steel wool pieces contaminating lead surface. I get what they are saying, I will avoid Steel wool myself.

Steel wool shreds, don't use it. I have heard that denim is best, but I use a clean rag.

But My biggest concern is Prepping for Paint removing Flux and any wax from tallow?
I have seen Water and Baking soda used for neutralizing Flux other than using Wax and grease remover not sure about Wax removal?

I use water and baking soda, but before painting I use phosphoric acid as a final cleaning agent on all the metal and lead. Then do the sanding and wax and grease remover.

I get it that a File should be used on the Lead But in my opinion Sanding it is gonna happen in final stages of getting panel ready for paint and am worried about the corrosion problem you brought forward in one of your posts some time ago.

Smooth metal is best for leading, but I sand the lead before paint, just use the right sand paper.

Thanks for your time
I really am looking forward to learning this skill!


You will be surprised at how easy Kent makes it in his video.



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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 9:23 am
My Kit finally arrived yesterday!!! only took 10 days not bad I guess with everything going on in the world today.

Chevman
Thanks for your honest answers and opinions. Anxiously awaiting the video you suggested.
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 4:45 pm
If you have any stimulus money left, this Eastwood diffuser tip works great for leading.
https://www.eastwood.com/ew-body-solder ... r-tip.html



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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 8:08 pm
Got one, I ordered one with my Kit :goodjob:
I am waiting for the video you suggested to arrive before I try using all this stuff.
Excited to try it out.

Currently I am Neck deep in Firebird project right now working Fiberglass over all my welds and making quarters strait with filler, all the welding I did caused a lot more warping than I realized. One side is worse than other I hammered it out really good but was just really learning how to Tig weld at the time not backing up at this point full speed ahead better than it was in my opinion and better than others I have seen.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:24 pm
Not much more to add, you guys have it covered. Clean, clean clean. Before AND after leading. I use baking soda paste, then lacquer thinner and a final with metal prep. Also, when you get good with the vixen (it ain't easy), you need only a touch with sandpaper, or not at all when you're finished. Better off not to make fine particles out of the lead, anyway.



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:49 am
The file is the best thing to use for sure, and use a vacuum to clean up the filings off the floor, but after that I like to put a sand scratch on for paint adhesion, not shaping.



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:41 am
chevman wrote:
Aluminum Oxide causes the problems, use ceramic or carbide abrasives when sanding lead.


You will be surprised at how easy Kent makes it in his video.


Still waiting for video last email I got said I would get it by the 10th.

When you say "carbide abrasives" Do you mean Silicon Carbide?

On a Side Note I found a supplier that can deliver 30/70, 40/60. 50/50, Tin/Lead available in 5/16,7/16, sticks and long wide Bars.
One of the Youtube videos I watched Had a Guy over in Europe using 40/60 lead bars by Belfry. Is there any benefit with the different mixes? I cant believe how expensive lead is.
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