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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:03 pm
Well we really dont have a general off topic Subject BUT ......

I am in the Market to buy an Airless Paint sprayer, Any one have suggestions?
I Looked at what Home depot has but am not really impressed with all the add on's necessary to buy to do inside and out side of House and I generally fear China made junk!
So any way I thought I would ask you guys if you have any opinions on what a good machines to buy and which to stay away from? if you had any opinions at all?

Am I getting this for one big job? no, I have Multiple paint projects both interior and exterior on a few different property's so getting a Good machine that will last is important to me as is getting a machine that can do the job without struggling to push paint through 50'-100' hose.
have to be able to get the Wand extensions for the gun and other parts such as Pump rebuild kits.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:48 pm
So, the biggest name in airless at this point is Graco. Parts for almost all models do interchange (not all). I wouldn't be afraid of shopping around on Facebook Marketplace, Craigslist, etc., for a unit. You do find lightly used and even never opened units. Not uncommon for consumers to buy them, look at what they have to learn to use it, and end up hiring pro painters for the jobs. Model numbers don't mean a lot, I mean these things are just hyrdraulic hammers for liquid operating in the 3000 to 4000 psi range. Honestly none of them will struggle with drive pressures. I've had one Harbor Freight unit (yes, it is pretty much a Graco clone) for a couple of years and blown maybe 100 gallons through it feeding directly out of 5 gallon pails. Graco extensions were an exact fit as well as Graco tips. Biggest tip.....you have to clean and exquisitley break these units down EACH time you use them. Also, use Floods Floetrol additives for latex, oil based, whatever. That stuff acts like a lube as well as providing better flow out..... Before you even buy one I'd download a few Graco pdf manuals on their operation..... Man, they are pretty awesome once you get used to them. No ladders needed for interior ceilings if you use a 30 inch extension....I can shoot all the interior rooms on a 2500 square foot rental home in a single day.... and yes, that's like 30 gallons of latex.... :shock: Ohh....never run anything heavy over a hose! And, don't do a subcutaneous injection of paint into your arm! I will not comment further on those two stupid things...... :shock:
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:24 am
I saw the Graco models and yes it does look like they are about the only game any more.
Just trying to decide on which unit to buy now.

I am looking at the 17, 19 and the 21 but not really sure I need that much of a machine? as the 21 offers I think the 17 will be fine? But It sounds like even the X7 will do what I need but I like performance of the bigger models thicker materials longer hoses more pressure.

the x21 will do Hot coatings such as stains and clear but when am I gonna need to do that much stain or clear on a project that I buy it in a 5 gal pail lol
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:10 am
I get it.... so the big deal with any of these is getting them "turned down" for a reasonable/controllable amount of feed. Think about it.... the lowest feed rate that most of these unit will go down to is about 1/4 to 1/3 of a gallon per minute.... that means an empty 5 gallon pail in 15 to 20 minutes..... For heavier bodied latexs that is great....stains, that can be an uncontrollable mess.
I think in real performance for what you want to do any of those models would get the job done.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:22 am
Ya I get what your saying and it does make sense to me, I don't need to hammer on 5 gal of paint on one wall in less than 10 min lol I am thinking the x17 is all the machine I need for two or three houses a year and I found a used unit on Craigs list for a fraction of the cost of new. I just have to clean it up and even if I put a new pump rebuild kit in it I am still below the costs of a new unit.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:42 am
Yeah, that's the way I'd go as well. Components are pretty simple so rebuild is easy. Biggest thing that can help you once you are set up to shoot is making sure EVERTHING that you don't want paint on is masked out. With a gun extension on there you can easily "sling" paint where you don't want it. Also, wear the full coverall suit with head sock/hoodie and either shoes/boots you don't care about too much. My grandson and I kind of developed a system of him moving hoses as I shot through the house. We also used a high solids latex primer the last time which we got pretty much wholesale at our local Menards. That stuff was great and helped fill in minor hits/dings in the plasterboard we were working over....
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:14 am
I have emailed the guy with that machine waiting for a reply and will go get it OR go buy a New machine ready to do that too.

Now I am shopping for Paint, and trying to figure out coverage? how much to buy? the hose is 30 x 12? and 12 x 60 ruffly ??? figuring around 3000 sq feet? the one paint I was looking at said it covers in 300-500 sq feet per gallon. I was thinking with spraying I would probably be lucky to get 300' sq.
Wasn't so worried about trim right now just base color of the exterior walls. will go back and do trim by hand.

I know spraying will use more paint, than a roller or Brush also what kind of paint for the extreame temp and the sun I live in here? any suggestions? Latex or Acrylic or?

Most of the ones I am looking at say Paint/primer, I don't need a Primer ???????

I have used an Airless many many years ago on an Interior job, But now doing the exterior I am at a loss never done it before. Don't know squat really about House paints other than I really need to paint the Dam rental starting to really look bad.
Its never been painted since new. its a Modular home with some sort of weird cement type board siding.

The contractor I had out here yesterday said it was some sort of cement type fiber board any way I have no idea? He also mentioned I should use a Urethane type sealer for the cracks and sealing windows and such any opinions?

I just want to paint it now that I got the Bathroom rebuilt and re-leveled the dang thing after that it will be a new Roof and Heat and AC, not looking forward to those Bills!
Thats why I wanna paint it myself.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:28 pm
Yeah, kind of hard for me to give advice considering where you are at.... Here in Ohio we have such radically shifting temp.s/humidity that latex is about the only game besides the new bedliner based paints they are shooting homes with here. Yep, you heard it here...we have Rhinoshield dealer installed on houses now.
Whatever you decide on, I would definitely figure minimal coverage output per gallon. I'd spray early morning with your kind of sun. Fibered cement board is a thing here as well, and yes, here they also recommend urethane sealers for that.....
Hey, when you get to the AC I'd consider the new DIY mini splits. I've installed 5 of them in the last 18 months. Super effiecient and a very streamlined installed. Prices have come down a lot. We've got our install time down to about 4 hours on a unit....
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:25 pm
Please elaborate on Mini Split

No response from guy selling used machine probably gone.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:13 pm
Mini Splits are heat pump.... Beginning of the summer we installed two of these in my main wood shop..... https://www.heatandcool.com/klimaire-di ... -230v.html Oh, and just type in DIY in the search box for other sizes. They make a real nice one that's 12,000 btu but just works on 120 v.
Running my 7.5 hp Eaton, all the shop electric devices, even my house hot tub, and those two units highest summer bill $100.... normal electric bills with my old CH 7.5 hp compressor, same electric devices, hot tub and two large window AC units, bill as high as $350. I run 3 of them in my 2500 square foot ranch, again highest bill this summer just over $100. That's keeping everything at 70 to 72 F everywhere....
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