1995 Lexus ES300 Peeling Clearcoat Respray?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:30 am
Ok, thanks for the link.

For a bloke who's supposed to be a gun painter that Kevin Tetz doesn't impress me too much. His "wall of air" doesn't prove anything - like I said before, you set up your gun by spraying on some scrap until the pattern is right. That's it, period.

What he's doing is, quite successfully, impressing someone like you, who doesn't know better, with the idea that he's a fount of knowledge. That makes his next sales pitch all the more believable and you more likely to press the "Buy Now" button.

For example, his next little sell is the rattle can of gun wash thinners. Seriously? If you were to attach a hose to where your cup screws on and then feed thinners through it under pressure then, eventually the paint passage will be clean. But his spray can doesn't push the thinners all the way through and what you'll end up with is a little colour in the fluid tip and, over time, a build up at the back, where the needle comes in.

When I clean my guns I use recycled thinners drawn up and through a Schutz gun. So the thinners is "air assisted". That cleans the top of my guns and all the outsides, much better than his spray can and at a tiny fraction of the cost. But I always have to remove the fluid tip to get that last little bit that stays in there, even if you try to spray it out. Removing the fluid tip means I know that it is clean and it's easy to push a brush back into the area at the back and clean the needle where it comes through the packing.

Believe me, if I cleaned my guns like he demonstrated they would all have a little paint left in them, something that may not be nice if you've just painted black and the next job is white, and they would have sticky needles if left for a day or two.

I was then silly enough to wind back to the beginning and be assaulted by his theory that one should paint a car "as though it were a refrigerator". Kidding, right? Nobody does that, certainly not in production. A boss who found out his $80/litre premium clear was being used to coat every masked up opening would have your termination advice ready for you as you stepped out of the booth from fixing all the runs on shaped sections where you painted the refrigerator instead of the car.

At that point I could stand it no longer and stopped that rubbish.

Believe me, I'm not trying to put out the fire of your enthusiasm but when you're still learning the best thing you can do is follow the tried and proven procedures that are detailed all over this site and recommended by all the experienced guys here. When you've been painting, full time, for about 20 years, look me up and we'll have a conversation about setting sweet spots with air alone. :wink:
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:17 pm
NFT5 wrote:Ok, thanks for the link.

For a bloke who's supposed to be a gun painter that Kevin Tetz doesn't impress me too much. His "wall of air" doesn't prove anything - like I said before, you set up your gun by spraying on some scrap until the pattern is right. That's it, period.

What he's doing is, quite successfully, impressing someone like you, who doesn't know better, with the idea that he's a fount of knowledge. That makes his next sales pitch all the more believable and you more likely to press the "Buy Now" button. :


go a minute in on this video. he proves your point correct.

idk about showing people how to use a gun on cardboard(like he did in the video) either. seems some fenders,doors, and a hood from a boneyard would have been better.
paints gonna lay a bit differently on a pourous surface like cardboard than on metal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_9WQmicyJU

even though im justa hobbiest greenhorn, theres quite a bit in this video i dont agree with.
i wonder if he uses one of those eastwood guns for those thousands of cars he claims to have painted.
how many years would it take to paint thousands of cars?????



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 2:38 pm
NFT5 wrote:Ok, thanks for the link.

For a bloke who's supposed to be a gun painter that Kevin Tetz doesn't impress me too much. His "wall of air" doesn't prove anything - like I said before, you set up your gun by spraying on some scrap until the pattern is right. That's it, period.

wow... I know the world is undergoing a period of ignorance.. but this is amazing..
my basketball coach long ago once told me... "when you're sitting in your english class... daydreaming... think about the shot.. think about how your wrist has to follow the ball as you extend and point at the hoop." metal visualization.. is very fundamental... I don't understand why you guys aren't taught that?...

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:25 pm
Ha, ha..... :rotfl: you are going to have a lot of fun learning how to do this......
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DarrelK wrote:Ha, ha..... :rotfl: you are going to have a lot of fun learning how to do this......
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I already am having fun learning how to do it... what I don't understand is ignorance... i find it offensive... everything about painting a vehicle correctly is in the setup... the preparation... visualizing what has to take place for the job to be correct... a big job... lots to it... but you have to visualize something first before you can actually apply it... I actually think Kevin Tetz is a great instructor... so are others... but I think he is most technical from what I've found... passing out info that is...



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DarrelK wrote:Ha, ha..... :rotfl: you are going to have a lot of fun learning how to do this......
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here's a question I can't find a real good answer for... HVLP nozzle vs a standard nozzle... the way a tip works has something to do with Bernoulli's princile... PV/T=C ... or.. if T is constant then there is an inverse relationship with pressure and volume... as volume decreases... pressure increases... I think it's called the venturi effect... anyway.. for a HVLP to work... then... what has to happen... for less overspray?... a tighter pattern?... the air has to be more tightly controlled as to where it's landing... I think this is accomplished by using more air particles and hence.. a heavier fog than with conventional nozzles?...



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DarrelK wrote:Ha, ha..... :rotfl: you are going to have a lot of fun learning how to do this......
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you may not use any of that stuff in your work... but I do.. I think about the reasons why I'm doing something... or at least.. try to...



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 7:19 pm
NFT5 wrote:Ok, thanks for the link.

What he's doing is, quite successfully, impressing someone like you, who doesn't know better, with the idea that he's a fount of knowledge. That makes his next sales pitch all the more believable and you more likely to press the "Buy Now" button.

That is really just a slanted view of what I see in Kevin Tetz... he always says... this is not what I'm about... while presenting something... it seems he even presents different products... but I've also seen his salesmanship... where he points out cherry picked differences when he can... but.. who can blame him?... Eastwood is giving him a good platform to work from...



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:46 pm
Kevin is ok, I don't buy into everything he says though and that wall thing that's just so much BS!
A Paint gun is supposed to be held X inch (6") from the panel everyone knows that if not read the directions that come with your Paint gun!!! And if you didn't get a set with your gun because you bought it used OH well sucks to be you!

But what Kevin says now is compromised especially now that he sold out to Eastwood because lets face it Hes their Point man! Hes Being paid to promote Eastwood products plain and simple. Oh well its a good job good for him! But I HATE EASTWOOD!!!! OVER PRICED! & some of it is outright JUNK! and even more of it is made in China!

But when Kevin made and produced his own videos he put some good info out I thought. He also was reserved on his endorsements of products.
I own a set of his videos his original stuff without Eastwood before he was a big name and sponsor of Eastwood when he could speak his mind and be truthful!!!!
If any one wants to make me a fair offer I will let the set go?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:00 pm
Doright wrote:Kevin is ok, I don't buy into everything he says though and that wall thing that's just so much BS!
A Paint gun is supposed to be held X inch (6") from the panel everyone knows that if not read the directions that come with your Paint gun!!! And if you didn't get a set with your gun because you bought it used OH well sucks to be you!

the distance the gun is supposed to be held from the surface I imagine has to do with a number of factors. Since you want to deliver the paint to the surface at the most optimal moment... things like paint viscosity might also play a part in it. The air carries the paint... so... how that impact onto the surface effects whatever size particle the paint happens to in be, probably due to the mechanical properties of the nozzle and the viscosity of the paint. Smaller sized particles would seem to create a smoother but thinner layer?
I think your measure of 6" is probably going to be in the ballpark... but... to be spot on I think I'll need to know how to achieve it... but spot on... I know isn't going to be my outcome... I just want to reason with it...
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