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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:44 pm
Hello,

I am not much of an auto body person. There is a guy on youtube that paints industrial equipment for a living, and he did a video on painting a car with rustoleum products.

I know there's a lot of opinions on this, but my expectations are realistic. I know I'm not going to get a showroom paint job. I've painted car hoods and things with rustoleum and I never was unsatisfied with the end result.

Back on topic, he used a product called "Masstone tint base gloss". He uses that as a base to add regular rustoleum oil based paint to at a ratio, and then he added pigments. I really liked the results and looked to replicate it, but I cannot find this product.

I emailed rustoleum, and they said that the product is only sold at Menards hardware stores. I am not near any and they do not ship. They also said it was an "alkyd consumer grade enamel".

Does anyone have any suggestions for substitutes of a product like this? Is this just a clear coat type of product? I am open to suggestions that are more pro grade products that require autobody supply shops or buying online, but it would be nice if there was a product suggestion someone had that is regularly available at brick and mortar stores and more of a run of the mill product. Doesn't necessarily need to be fancy stuff.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:50 pm
I looked it up at my Menards down the road from me and there really isn't much mentioned about it. None of the Menards around me actually stock it. I still don't get the "why" for wanting to put an alkyd enamel on a car. We are just so far past this old tech. You will find paint jobbers around you like PPG, Sherwin Williams Auto, NAPA, and even O'Reily's either carry or can order in pro grade polyurethane based basecoat/clearcoats and single stage polyurethanes. Honestly, I don't even buy much locally anymore preferring to do everything online. Tamco, right on this web site has my favorite clears. I'd leave the Rustoleum for farm tractors......
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DarrelK wrote:I looked it up at my Menards down the road from me and there really isn't much mentioned about it. None of the Menards around me actually stock it. I still don't get the "why" for wanting to put an alkyd enamel on a car. We are just so far past this old tech. You will find paint jobbers around you like PPG, Sherwin Williams Auto, NAPA, and even O'Reily's either carry or can order in pro grade polyurethane based basecoat/clearcoats and single stage polyurethanes. Honestly, I don't even buy much locally anymore preferring to do everything online. Tamco, right on this web site has my favorite clears. I'd leave the Rustoleum for farm tractors......


I am admittedly very new when it comes to any auto painting. I've looked into some things and have gone over basics now and again, but I'm not well versed in products or the what and why to use one vs the other. I have a decent knowledge of prepping/painting and the overall concept of prime/base/clear, but I know there's an endless amount of products for this and I don't have the experience to pick a good budget "starter kit" of products for a job. It essentially comes down to cost. I just want to do a quick and easy paint job without investing a lot because at least at this time, I don't plan to make this an ongoing hobby.

The reason I was trying to find this clear base product is because in the tutorial I saw he used it as a base to then add the actual colored paint to, and then used pigment powders. I wasn't sure how this would turn out if I cut out the clear base and just put the pigments in the basecoat paint itself so I was trying to hunt the product down or look for an equivalent.

It's one of those "anything will look better than what it is" jobs. I would be satisfied with a decent paint job coupled with just having some fun with it. If you know of any good DIY cheaper end products you could recommend to achieve the pigment/basecoat mixing I'm trying to achieve, I'm all ears. I'm just trying to be weary of getting too much into this for a one time project, and one thing I do know about autobody is that the price of pro grade products can stack up fast. I'm also the type of person to get too invested once I allow myself to throw serious money around, and I am avoiding that at all costs.



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:33 am
I tend to be a grumpy ol' bastid sometimes, so apologies in advance.
Why are you so set on using alkyd enamel? It works (and in the far distant past, I even used it), but it is the cheapest of all paints. Not the best wear, or looks. Today, I would never use it, except maybe to paint machines in my shop, but even then, I would take another route.
This is my suggestion to you. Go to a local body shop supply house (or 2, or 3, if close). Ask if they have any "mistake" mixes. Often they will mix up something wrong, and it will be returned to the store. Some store just sell them, instead of dumping them. At less than half price. See if they do this, and if they have any colors close to what you want. Then you only have to buy the accompanying materials (reducer, hardener) to use it. You might want to focus on single stage colors, so you don't have to buy any clear, so be prepared to shop around, and wait, as these are not as popular as base/clear systems.



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:40 am
You cant save any money Painting anything with one project.
If you are not interested in anything but doing one little project forget it! and find some one local to you on Craigs list that paints cars you'll actually save money.

Painting requires quality air compressor, water trap, air filtration, other tools and equipment, Paint guns, Sanding equipment, dedicated air hose, Hiflo air fittings, Breathing air masks, and consumables besides basic paints Primer Base coat and clear you have Filler, Lacquer thinner, tape, masking, Multiple Sanding paper of multiple grades, Tack cloths and the list goes on.

I could respray a Hood for a guy for as low as $300.
He could tool up to do it himself and spend $3000 or more maybe a little less depends how much he already has for tools and equipment & consumables on hand for project.
Then factor in you have an inexperienced painter/body man that's gonna make mistakes and may have to redo the job which adds to the cost as well.

Using Substandard materials such as Rustoleum products wont save you money!
Its been proven multiple times Quality Paints and materials save money.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:51 am
What Chopolds said^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And that my friend is how I learned to paint with modern paints on the cheap. I got to know the husband and wife owners at my local PPG jobber. I was buying sandpaper for my wood shop from them and the wife had seen my work on furniture. She said one day, "Why the hell aren't you painting cars?" She went back and got me an arm full of single stage urethanes, some bases, etc. She explained the colors were off enough not to sell a full price. She gave them to me at half price and before I got out the door threw 3 more cans in for free. I was off to the races......
And Doright has very valid points there. I still think paint is kind of cheap in this hobby WHEN you compare it to all the rest of the stuff that is needed to actually spray it. Not saying you can't go somewhat on the cheap there to but you'll pay the price with picking up bad habits and coatings that look like crap UNTIL you get into better stuff.....
Personally, I'd go single stage solid colors probably with a gun in the $100 to $200 range and a decent 5 to 7 h.p. 60 to 80 gallon used compressor.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:09 am
DarrelK wrote:Personally, I'd go single stage solid colors probably with a gun in the $100 to $200 range and a decent 5 to 7 h.p. 60 to 80 gallon used compressor.


A compressor as described above expect to pay $1200 - $3000+ alone!
Unless your lucky and find a Killer deal on a used unit.

My Point you said you didn't want to get into this as a Hobby, Take project to some one you'll actually save money!

This is a very expensive hobby! That is going to get even more expensive and keep getting even more expensive with current and future restrictions the current government is planning on imposing on the industry.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:34 pm
Olds9885 wrote:..........It's one of those "anything will look better than what it is" jobs. I would be satisfied with a decent paint job coupled with just having some fun with it. If you know of any good DIY cheaper end products you could recommend to achieve the pigment/basecoat mixing I'm trying to achieve, I'm all ears. I'm just trying to be weary of getting too much into this for a one time project, and one thing I do know about autobody is that the price of pro grade products can stack up fast. I'm also the type of person to get too invested once I allow myself to throw serious money around, and I am avoiding that at all costs.

If you're just wanting the car repainted, you can sand and prep it and then take it
to the local Earl Shwab or equivalent to get it sprayed.

If you really want to DIY and have a spray gun, then do as suggested and pick up
some inexpensive automotive paint. The Rustoleum Masstone is a water-based
enamel intended for industrial use and won't hold up long enough on a car to
make it worthwhile....
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chopolds wrote:I tend to be a grumpy ol' bastid sometimes, so apologies in advance.
Why are you so set on using alkyd enamel? It works (and in the far distant past, I even used it), but it is the cheapest of all paints. Not the best wear, or looks. Today, I would never use it, except maybe to paint machines in my shop, but even then, I would take another route.
This is my suggestion to you. Go to a local body shop supply house (or 2, or 3, if close). Ask if they have any "mistake" mixes. Often they will mix up something wrong, and it will be returned to the store. Some store just sell them, instead of dumping them. At less than half price. See if they do this, and if they have any colors close to what you want. Then you only have to buy the accompanying materials (reducer, hardener) to use it. You might want to focus on single stage colors, so you don't have to buy any clear, so be prepared to shop around, and wait, as these are not as popular as base/clear systems.


Thanks for the tips. I'll look into some local stores around me and see if they have any of these mistake mixes. I'm not necessarily set on alykd paint, it's just something I've done a bit of research on and knew I could get it locally, as far as the color goes that is. I've also painted car pieces with it before so I know what I expect the outcome to be. In a nutshell it's just abut the simplicity of knowing a have the equipment to do it without getting lost in the product options rabbit-hole when I'm not looking for anything fancy. But I'm in no way set in my way on needing it to be this rustoleum oil paint and I'm open to any suggestions.



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:38 am
Doright wrote:You cant save any money Painting anything with one project.
If you are not interested in anything but doing one little project forget it! and find some one local to you on Craigs list that paints cars you'll actually save money.

Painting requires quality air compressor, water trap, air filtration, other tools and equipment, Paint guns, Sanding equipment, dedicated air hose, Hiflo air fittings, Breathing air masks, and consumables besides basic paints Primer Base coat and clear you have Filler, Lacquer thinner, tape, masking, Multiple Sanding paper of multiple grades, Tack cloths and the list goes on.

I could respray a Hood for a guy for as low as $300.
He could tool up to do it himself and spend $3000 or more maybe a little less depends how much he already has for tools and equipment & consumables on hand for project.
Then factor in you have an inexperienced painter/body man that's gonna make mistakes and may have to redo the job which adds to the cost as well.

Using Substandard materials such as Rustoleum products wont save you money!
Its been proven multiple times Quality Paints and materials save money.



I understand where you are coming from for sure. To give a bit more background, I do own all of that equipment as it is. I'm an auto mechanic, but I don't do any body work by trade. I own a compressor, HVLP, siphon gun, mixing buckets, all the sandpaper needed, respirators, inline air desiccants, etc. I have painted some car fenders/hoods just to mess around and make something look better than the shape it was initially in, and I've spray various other things just to try my hand at it.

So when I meant that I don't want to get carried away money-wise by getting into niche painting products, I meant it more from the perspective of the car I'm looking to paint isn't worth any high dollar paint. It's just a beater car somebody did an atrocious rattle can job to before I bought it. The more money I put into high quality paints like $100+ epoxy primers, and 2k clear coats just gets away from the scope of the original goal of making a crappy beater look good with about $100-200 bucks sunk into it. Anything is going to be better than that bad rattle can paint job :ha
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