Painting WHITE
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when it comes to white, would there be a difference between bc/cc and single stage? could there be issues with a SS that couldnt be cut and buffed out?
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The problem with base coat white is when it comes time to put the clear on, same story you just can't see what you're doing, for me anyway.
Jay D. they say my name is Jay
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I've cut/buffed SS a few times and I had no issues. Having said that, I have trouble shooting SS without runs. I rarely run with bc/cc and that is what I learned with--I have only done 3 or 4 SS jobs and to be honest, I like bc/cc much better. In fact, I don't even offer to shoot SS, it is always bc/cc for anything I do now. Maybe if the color could only be mixed in SS would I offer to do it. Just me, I am sure there are others that feel just the opposite--it's just my (lack of) experience showing) showing through maybe. |
not sure why but "even in kansas" had me Experienced Trained Certified
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Agree. Cheap 2K Direct Gloss is lower in solids than its more expensive cousins and it is this, when combined with overly thick coats trying to get coverage, that leads to runs. A good quality 2K DG can go on smoother and flatter than many clears. As for the "snow blindness", yes it's a thing, but you just need to change the way you look at the paint as you're laying it down. Look from a slightly different angle and watch the "bow wave" at the edge of the new layer you're spraying. It does take a bit of practice.
The biggest one is what I said above about quality and solids content. 2K DG can be applied a lot thinner than clear and still get coverage but when wet sanded and buffed that lack of thickness causes grief for those with a bit less experience as they tend to get rub throughs. Hence the common advice to use BC/CC because it it more "forgiving". Chris
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In view of this, would it be safe to say that if forced to use the cheaper SS, instead of trying to get coverage with say 2 med wet coats, spray 3 or 4 lighter coats for coverage. I've only done 3 SS jobs and struggled with runs as my supplier just told me to treat it like clear and, obviously I laid it on too thick by times. I know I can make it work but, for me, given the choice I like to do bc/cc and now I know why (for me) it is easier since it is more forgiving. |
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"I don't want show, but a very nice driver. same as a original looking job."
I call BS on that, if you have spent that much time on one car, you are going to want it perfect. In my weekender hack hobbyist opinion, a project car's paint is either "Perfect" or it has some eff ups. fatbald dude, no kidding I dont like the over restored paint look. truly prefer as from factory look, which is very im-perfect. so you stand corrected by your comment. painter dave dude, you must simply be spanking because my kc chiefs have won the division 7 straight years and beat the broncos 15 straight times now. embarrasing. and the has been russel wilson "lets riiiiiiidddddddeeeee" u have to endure. back to topic, I prefer the factory look. hopefully I will be able to achieve it, theres the factor of knowing how much I want to do things right and a shop doesnt. thanks all for the input, especially me not realizing white is the hardest to spray. Eric
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Yes, definitely. Each coat needs to be "just wet", but not "medium" or "full" wet. Rotate 45 to 90 degrees each time so you don't get banding and end up with an even coverage.
Take your time and do a practice panel a couple of times to dial in your technique. Chris
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Never thought of doing a 45' angle........can't thank you enough for sharing your knowledge in this media. I really like gaining skills through the experience of others--I know I'll never live long enough to figure it all on my own, LOL. |
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I enjoy seeing you youngsters trying new things. I dragged home some large pieces of cardboard, bought some Rustoleum, watched all the videos and started practicing on cardboard. At first the paint soaks in quickly. Couple coats and then just painting paint. I practiced and practiced, painted buckets and anything else that was handy. Neighbor was encouraging me as he has something he wants sprayed.
I quickly discovered I do not like working with the chemicals or the smells and I make messes so paid to have it sprayed, money well spent. Most people can't be good at everything! I would guess if you ask around you could get someone to come to your shop to spray it. in pieces. |
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