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Well, I had a guy who was supposed to be doing all my paint and body work, but is now in jail for stealing a car. (Kinda glad he didn't steal anything from me, except a thousand dollars. :evil: :evil: :evil: )

Anyway, the car has always needed quite a bit of help, and I kinda got ahead of myself. A while back, I stripped the hood and one fender down to metal, just to see what was under it all. I was also curious as to what the fender flares (that look terrible in person) were made of, as well as the covers for the side louvers.

Here I have pics of what I had started to do:

http://community.webshots.com/user/cward8m

You can see in there how the louvers were hiding, and what the fenders look like. I basically took and sprayed the whole car with rattlecan primer, and decided to have someone do the work.

Unfortunately, the only thing they got done was something called "DA" the car. I assume that is the initial blocking to find high and low spots, am I correct? Well, I have pics of the car now, and also a pic of what the flares are made of in this album here: http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4288247351 .

I am now poor, and I'm one of those do-it-yourself kinda guys, a lethal combo! :twisted: I cannot weld, nor do I have real access to a welder, so I need to know how to fill that half dollar sized hole. Also, now that I have uncovered the louvers on one side, I see that when they welded the "cover" over it, it warped the metal pretty badly. I am thinking maybe getting some fiberglass shelby scoops to mold in over it? Grinding it just to get it fully open has been tough enough. *opinions welcome here*

And the biggie, the flares, oh man. I can take as many pics as necessary if this is confusing to anyone, and I appreciate even the smallest bit of help. I don't even know if I'm supposed to try and fill all the lowspots with bondo, or use a high filler primer and block sand it to get it even?

I have bought a ton of sandpaper and a massive can of bondo...and have this site as my only lead. I have a lot to learn, but am really eager, if I'm gonna do it I want to do it right. I plan on a bc/cc system, but before I get there, I have to get this mess of bodywork done, and hopefully done well. I don't want to do this again for many years, and I want it to look good.

Thanks in advance!

-Chris

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 8:58 am
Chris, good thing you found us. Wow, is my first responce! It is hard to believe what some people do to cars in an attempt to be different.

I dont have much good news for you. If it was my car I think I would start out with new rear quarters all together. Try YearOne.com for quarters. I bet they are cheeper than the Shelby flares and by replacing them now at least you will know you did it right the first time.

As for the install of new quarters you can glue them on. http://www.fusor.com/ This is the site on the glue.


If this looks like a better choice for you then get to it. If not let me know and we can go a different route.



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Horsepower, thanks so much for the response. The links you gave me are a great idea, and I never knew about the glue. I have thought about replacing the entire rear panels, but the cost would exceed what is currently in my budget. Another concern is that the front fenders have flares also. Fortunately, the front seem to have been riveted on by metal and seem to be sturdier (possible to tell a little in the first album). The rear, may also be metal underneath it all, but it looks like maybe fiberglass was laid on top, with some bondo on top of that. Would that be the cause of it's cracking? I was hoping to just correct the MESS that these people have done to the point of evening the flares out, and making them flush with the bottom of the car. (You can see a lip going under the body line, looks bad.)

As for the louvers on the side, you can see in the first album. The standard 1967 louvers should look like:
http://www.wenatcheecars.com/67mustang.gif

I've uncovered one of mine, but grinding down the work around it has only revealed bigger probs. When I get home from XMAS stuff I can post more pics.

The shelby side scoops I'm thinking about getting look like this:
http://www.metromustang.com/projects/67 ... thly-1.jpg

I only want to add those because I thought it might be a way to help disguise the damage already done. With the amount of work that's needed, alot of people have told me to "start with a new car and start the right way." But, I'm sure you know what it's like to have that attachment to one car that seems to never do you right. :D


Anyway, as you can see I'm full of questions and I'm roarin' to go, but don't know where to start! I would lvoe to keep pic documentation of the whole process though, in case anyone else out there is as unfortunate as me!! hahaha


Like you said, it's a good thing I found this site, it seems to be a really great place full of knowledgable people!

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 5:45 pm
Where are you located? Maybe someone on this site is close by you and can see the car to give better tips. The rear quarters were like $130 a pair. That is very cheep. But anyway you are still gonna want to remove all the old bondo and fiberglass that is cracked and start over again. That is why I said replace the quarters all together. in the long run it may be easier. But please send more pics when you can. Close up's in good light would be great. If you want you can email them to me as well.



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HORSEPOWER wrote:Where are you located?


I'm just outside of Austin, TX.

The rear quarters were like $130 a pair. That is very cheep.

Oh man, I went to the site and found something saying it was 500 bucks for the pair! I guess I am looking at the wrong thing, but I can swing 130 bucks because it would probably save me much time and energy.

-I just looked again and I see I was looking at the "full quarter panels", not the quarter panel skins. The skins seem to be cheap but they don't have my year listed. I will call them though, I'm sure they sell my year. What's the difference between the full panel and the skins?

But please send more pics when you can. Close up's in good light would be great. If you want you can email them to me as well.


I certainly will, I might be busy on Xmas day :wink: , but I will have some pics up ASAP.

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The full quarters are just that, the entire quarter, from the trunk to the door opening. The skins go from top to bottom of the quarter, and not the top of the quarter. If it were me and the top of the quarter is good I would just replace the skin. When you get that far I will give you some tips on how to glue it on.



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I can order them tomorrow, and see how quickly I can get them in so I can cut the old ones out. The only concern I have, is the fenders in the front have big flares too, and it will look odd unless I can do something major with those too, any suggestions?

*will get pics by tonight*

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I will wait for the pics.

How are the flares installed? Are they something you want to keep? Can they be removed easily?



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The front definately don't look like they will come off easy, and actually the back looks like they are metal the more i am getting it down, with fiberglass on top as a filler of sorts...maybe?? I have some pics here and lightened them up in photoshop cause I know it's hard to tell from pics. Unfortunately, since I'm stuck on a 28.8 modem, I had to reduce the size and quality of the pics from original.

Here is a shot of the front fender flares on the fender that is down to metal.

http://cward8.8m.com/stuff/DSC01542small.jpg

These were strange little bumps, maybe rivets? I'm sure you've probably seen something like this before and can figure out what it is?

http://cward8.8m.com/stuff/DSC01543small.jpg

This is the "still covered" scoop side I hadn't began messing with yet.

http://cward8.8m.com/stuff/DSC01544small.jpg

Part of the reason I didn't want to keep them...

http://cward8.8m.com/stuff/DSC01545small.jpg

I plan on AT LEAST making the bottom of the flare even with the bottom of the car, if I don't do new quarters in the rear. Whatcha think?

http://cward8.8m.com/stuff/DSC01546small.jpg

In this pic, the body line I have 3 different things circled.

1. I have to try and fix this body line, same with the top and sides of this scoop.

2. I have to patch this hole, which happens to sit right on a body line...

3. Where the welding had been done, It raised this metal part in many places and would be hard to smooth out.

http://cward8.8m.com/stuff/DSC01548small.jpg

here are two pics of the rust hole I have to fix also on the rocker panel on one side.

http://cward8.8m.com/stuff/DSC01550small.jpg

http://cward8.8m.com/stuff/DSC01549small.jpg

And last major rust spot that's visible now.
http://cward8.8m.com/stuff/DSC01551small.jpg


I know my posts are long, but that's only 'cause I'm trying to be as comprehensive as possible and not leave anything out. I have a tendency to not explain stuff well too, so if there is anything you are unclear about, please ask! Thanks again!

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UMMM only the first 2 pics will open. Try and email them to me
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