Re: Rusted from the inside out - Subaru
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:12 pm
Yes I did suggest Oxy Acetylene welding and NO you do not need Hi dollar stuff to do it. ANYTHING including Aluminum can be Qxy Acetylene welded IF you take the time to learn how to weld properly. You don't need to invest more than a few hundred dollars in a good set up either. check this out https://www.hotrod.com/articles/oxy-ace ... lding-101/
You can Pick up Good used Oxy Acetylene set ups all day long used on Craigs list or Ebay cheap buying new is not necessary.
A Mig will get you going fast and learning to weld with one is not all that difficult.
Using one on European sheet metal wouldn't be my first choice as I said before but it can be done, and done right its just not my choice that doesn't mean its not yours!
Plus even all the manufacture's say that the Mig process should be used on certain places and welds on any car.
I personally use all 4 Processes Mig, Tig, Gas, and Stick no one process is best for all.
A Mig really is the do all in the industry these days.
If you really want a good cheap Mig welder I would look at Everlast welders I have one of there Tig machines and I really like it.
There cheapest Mig machine has a Better duty cycle than the one you just posted and it's cheaper by almost a C note. OH and these are serviced here in the states getting repairs and parts is easy. There Technical support is also Fantastic. I wouldn't touch that machine you posted.
Being able to get your Welder serviced or repaired is priceless as is a Good reliable Warranty! Everlast stands behind there junk for 5 years!
https://www.everlastgenerators.com/catalog-mig
Your friend did tel you right that you want one with a Lot of adjust-ability.
BUT I will say this "You want one with the highest Duty Cycle you can afford!"
**When it comes Welders Duty cycle means everything !*********
Cheap machines are just that CHEAP!
While you could possibly get away with the one you posted this one:
https://www.everlastgenerators.com/prod ... i-mig-140e
Has a Better duty cycle is cheaper and it has a 5 year warranty adjustable power and wire speed. But not what I would buy!
If I was shopping to buy a New machine for my shop at a min I would look at this one: https://www.everlastgenerators.com/prod ... mig-253dpi
Do you really need this much machine ? NO!
But If you look at all the specs and features that this machine offers at this price its very hard to beat You get what you pay for and this one has a lot of cool features for the automotive repair guy.
That doesn't mean you need this machine or the bare basic machine either some were in the middle is fine or even one from another manufacture Miller, Lincoln or Hobart to name a few just do your home work before spending the money compare features and DUTY CYCLE, & WARRANTY call there tech support! can you get through do they answer the phone ? !!!!! Where is the closest service center????? Who pays for shipping for warranty repairs ???? that 70-200lb machine aint gonna be cheap to ship! What are others saying about the machine on line and the company? what are they saying about Warranty service and Tech support?
While you may not know or understand what all those advance features are for on an advanced Mig machine such as the one I posted above now but after learning the basics you'll find the learning curve is very short with a good Mig., your ability's and confidence will build very rapidly and you'll find that you wished you'd bought that bigger more advanced and rather expensive machine instead of the el'cheapo entry level machine.
Its easy to grow into a Machine and 100 times faster to grow out of one that's too small or to basic!
You mentioned The other guy on the other forum covers his welds in Carbon fiber ?
While this may sound & look cool and sound like it will add strength but Its not going too! all it will do is cover Poor welding technique in my opinion.
I know Carbon fiber, I work with it a lot in the Aviation industry I know what it can and cant do reinforcing welds is not one of them.
Your already in your car really deep You need to ask yourself are you doing this for just this one time project or are you in it Forever? not just for one or two cars!
Buying tools and equipment is an an investment in yourself!
I have been doing this stuff for over 40 years I know what I am doing I know I am buying tools that will last a Lifetime and if not I know I can get them repaired or replaced.
With that said
Fabbing up Patches :
You can make a Lot of patches with just a Pair of Tin snips a vice and a Hammer and Dollys yes there are stretchers Shrinkers shears Plannishing hammers English wheels the List is endless, all I can say is Buy what you need when you need it and can afford it.
But buy good quality that will last! Their is nothing worse than a POS breaking in the middle of something that you need done yesterday! good Tools are not cheap! and there is nothing good about cheap tools!
But at same time you don't need SnapOn for everything either when Chraftsmen will do you know what I mean?
When your shopping for tools do your home work shop around Talk to other Pros in the field see what they are using and what works and what lasts.
As far as making Parts I my self use a Lot of Prefabbed sheet metal parts from the after market world or the Junk yards and Cut my rust repair patches from those.
For me it saves a Lot of Fab time there are a Lot of parts that will take you a day or two or more to make or you can buy a $100-$200 used or aftermarket part and just cut off the piece you need and your back to welding. How much is your time worth? how fast do you need it done? ask yourself before trying to make a patch.
Then theirs the simple patches you can make with a vice Tin snips Hammers Dollys Piece of Pipe chunks of angle iron even a Stump you'd be amazed at what can be made with Just an old tree Stump and a few Hammers Dolley's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuVCiiFopGg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7BMGc4b5e0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK-vdlTvBHI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI-7lyaoiz4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdb-C9kjK_M
Check this guys stuff out
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcxlBL ... SSUkzZ2Jlg
His how to build a Roll cage is probably the best How to in the industry he tells you and shows you how too make it the right way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqY6KITUnXU&t=144s
He also offers Classes here in Vegas from welding to Fabrication how too if your ever out this way send me a message we can meet up.
You can Pick up Good used Oxy Acetylene set ups all day long used on Craigs list or Ebay cheap buying new is not necessary.
A Mig will get you going fast and learning to weld with one is not all that difficult.
Using one on European sheet metal wouldn't be my first choice as I said before but it can be done, and done right its just not my choice that doesn't mean its not yours!
Plus even all the manufacture's say that the Mig process should be used on certain places and welds on any car.
I personally use all 4 Processes Mig, Tig, Gas, and Stick no one process is best for all.
A Mig really is the do all in the industry these days.
If you really want a good cheap Mig welder I would look at Everlast welders I have one of there Tig machines and I really like it.
There cheapest Mig machine has a Better duty cycle than the one you just posted and it's cheaper by almost a C note. OH and these are serviced here in the states getting repairs and parts is easy. There Technical support is also Fantastic. I wouldn't touch that machine you posted.
Being able to get your Welder serviced or repaired is priceless as is a Good reliable Warranty! Everlast stands behind there junk for 5 years!
https://www.everlastgenerators.com/catalog-mig
Your friend did tel you right that you want one with a Lot of adjust-ability.
BUT I will say this "You want one with the highest Duty Cycle you can afford!"
**When it comes Welders Duty cycle means everything !*********
Cheap machines are just that CHEAP!
While you could possibly get away with the one you posted this one:
https://www.everlastgenerators.com/prod ... i-mig-140e
Has a Better duty cycle is cheaper and it has a 5 year warranty adjustable power and wire speed. But not what I would buy!
If I was shopping to buy a New machine for my shop at a min I would look at this one: https://www.everlastgenerators.com/prod ... mig-253dpi
Do you really need this much machine ? NO!
But If you look at all the specs and features that this machine offers at this price its very hard to beat You get what you pay for and this one has a lot of cool features for the automotive repair guy.
That doesn't mean you need this machine or the bare basic machine either some were in the middle is fine or even one from another manufacture Miller, Lincoln or Hobart to name a few just do your home work before spending the money compare features and DUTY CYCLE, & WARRANTY call there tech support! can you get through do they answer the phone ? !!!!! Where is the closest service center????? Who pays for shipping for warranty repairs ???? that 70-200lb machine aint gonna be cheap to ship! What are others saying about the machine on line and the company? what are they saying about Warranty service and Tech support?
While you may not know or understand what all those advance features are for on an advanced Mig machine such as the one I posted above now but after learning the basics you'll find the learning curve is very short with a good Mig., your ability's and confidence will build very rapidly and you'll find that you wished you'd bought that bigger more advanced and rather expensive machine instead of the el'cheapo entry level machine.
Its easy to grow into a Machine and 100 times faster to grow out of one that's too small or to basic!
You mentioned The other guy on the other forum covers his welds in Carbon fiber ?
While this may sound & look cool and sound like it will add strength but Its not going too! all it will do is cover Poor welding technique in my opinion.
I know Carbon fiber, I work with it a lot in the Aviation industry I know what it can and cant do reinforcing welds is not one of them.
Your already in your car really deep You need to ask yourself are you doing this for just this one time project or are you in it Forever? not just for one or two cars!
Buying tools and equipment is an an investment in yourself!
I have been doing this stuff for over 40 years I know what I am doing I know I am buying tools that will last a Lifetime and if not I know I can get them repaired or replaced.
With that said
Fabbing up Patches :
You can make a Lot of patches with just a Pair of Tin snips a vice and a Hammer and Dollys yes there are stretchers Shrinkers shears Plannishing hammers English wheels the List is endless, all I can say is Buy what you need when you need it and can afford it.
But buy good quality that will last! Their is nothing worse than a POS breaking in the middle of something that you need done yesterday! good Tools are not cheap! and there is nothing good about cheap tools!
But at same time you don't need SnapOn for everything either when Chraftsmen will do you know what I mean?
When your shopping for tools do your home work shop around Talk to other Pros in the field see what they are using and what works and what lasts.
As far as making Parts I my self use a Lot of Prefabbed sheet metal parts from the after market world or the Junk yards and Cut my rust repair patches from those.
For me it saves a Lot of Fab time there are a Lot of parts that will take you a day or two or more to make or you can buy a $100-$200 used or aftermarket part and just cut off the piece you need and your back to welding. How much is your time worth? how fast do you need it done? ask yourself before trying to make a patch.
Then theirs the simple patches you can make with a vice Tin snips Hammers Dollys Piece of Pipe chunks of angle iron even a Stump you'd be amazed at what can be made with Just an old tree Stump and a few Hammers Dolley's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuVCiiFopGg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7BMGc4b5e0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK-vdlTvBHI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI-7lyaoiz4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdb-C9kjK_M
Check this guys stuff out
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcxlBL ... SSUkzZ2Jlg
His how to build a Roll cage is probably the best How to in the industry he tells you and shows you how too make it the right way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqY6KITUnXU&t=144s
He also offers Classes here in Vegas from welding to Fabrication how too if your ever out this way send me a message we can meet up.